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	<title>Comments on: Media Management Misery</title>
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	<description>From a land of hills and water...</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MentalNotes</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator>MentalNotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Dan: The problem is with Flash. It's annoying on Windows too. I've got friends who run XP and Vista who have to restart their browsers if they want to watch YouTube videos every time they want to listen to them through their stereo (USB connection).

Meneer R: Thank you! Very handy bit of info that. Where did you get it from? *runs away to see what else Rhythmbox/HAL can do that I didn't know of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dan: The problem is with Flash. It&#8217;s annoying on Windows too. I&#8217;ve got friends who run XP and Vista who have to restart their browsers if they want to watch YouTube videos every time they want to listen to them through their stereo (USB connection).</p>
<p>Meneer R: Thank you! Very handy bit of info that. Where did you get it from? *runs away to see what else Rhythmbox/HAL can do that I didn&#8217;t know of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DrDabbles</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>DrDabbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the reason for wanting standards. No matter who published it, if there were a standard for music storage on portable devices, phones, iPods, etc. could all be developed to make use of it. Sadly, companies patent standards...so you can only use an iPod with iTunes, and things of that nature.

Instead, we use libraries like MTP to sit between myriad devices and our front-end applications, so developers don't have to keep reverse engineering different players. This standardizes access from apps to devices, which is good, but only a half measure. Unfortunately, it is only relatively recently that companies like Intel and now even ATI have opened their specs and standards to the "open" crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the reason for wanting standards. No matter who published it, if there were a standard for music storage on portable devices, phones, iPods, etc. could all be developed to make use of it. Sadly, companies patent standards&#8230;so you can only use an iPod with iTunes, and things of that nature.</p>
<p>Instead, we use libraries like MTP to sit between myriad devices and our front-end applications, so developers don&#8217;t have to keep reverse engineering different players. This standardizes access from apps to devices, which is good, but only a half measure. Unfortunately, it is only relatively recently that companies like Intel and now even ATI have opened their specs and standards to the &#8220;open&#8221; crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That one requires root and far more knowledge (what is the .fdi format like)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That one requires root and far more knowledge (what is the .fdi format like)</p>
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		<title>By: Onkar</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>Onkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A better way to do what Meneer suggested is to edit file /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-music-players.fdi, add entry for your phone/player, restart hal, (re)connect the phone/player, make sure rhythmbox recognizes it and then submit a patch so others also benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better way to do what Meneer suggested is to edit file /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-music-players.fdi, add entry for your phone/player, restart hal, (re)connect the phone/player, make sure rhythmbox recognizes it and then submit a patch so others also benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-992</link>
		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Dan, the newest versions of most of the districutions use Pulseaudio, which will intercept attempts to use alsa as well, and provide the capability that many applications can output audio simultaneously. That problem is gone on other distributions already and the next release of Ubuntu will fix it for Ubunteros.

Meneer R, that is pretty awesome trick! It's a shame it is not easy for Average Joes (no gui, and they don't get any clues that such solution exists in the first place). Some Gnome developer oughta take an AP to provide "mark this device as multimedia device" feature for Banshee/Rhythmbox!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dan, the newest versions of most of the districutions use Pulseaudio, which will intercept attempts to use alsa as well, and provide the capability that many applications can output audio simultaneously. That problem is gone on other distributions already and the next release of Ubuntu will fix it for Ubunteros.</p>
<p>Meneer R, that is pretty awesome trick! It&#8217;s a shame it is not easy for Average Joes (no gui, and they don&#8217;t get any clues that such solution exists in the first place). Some Gnome developer oughta take an AP to provide &#8220;mark this device as multimedia device&#8221; feature for Banshee/Rhythmbox!</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's very easy. Just switch to MS Windows or OSX.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very easy. Just switch to MS Windows or OSX.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dan</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-990</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a large problem for Ubuntu and Linux in general. Forget about organizing media. How about watching a YouTube video in Firefox then trying to listen to a shoutcast stream in XMMS without restarting Firefox first. XMMS cannot use the soundcard because Firefox or Flash has it locked. 

Simple things like this which have worked on Windows for years think Win 95 and 98 are the reason Linux cannot get a big hold on the desktop market. It's one little thing, but then it's another, and another and people get fed up with it. As much as I like Ubuntu, I've switched back to windows periodically due to the little things that add up to be a major annoyance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a large problem for Ubuntu and Linux in general. Forget about organizing media. How about watching a YouTube video in Firefox then trying to listen to a shoutcast stream in XMMS without restarting Firefox first. XMMS cannot use the soundcard because Firefox or Flash has it locked. </p>
<p>Simple things like this which have worked on Windows for years think Win 95 and 98 are the reason Linux cannot get a big hold on the desktop market. It&#8217;s one little thing, but then it&#8217;s another, and another and people get fed up with it. As much as I like Ubuntu, I&#8217;ve switched back to windows periodically due to the little things that add up to be a major annoyance.</p>
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		<title>By: Meneer R</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Meneer R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have any mp3 playing device that does not register itself as a music player, but as a usb-disc, you can do this trick:

Go to the usb-disc in nautilus
Right-click .. create file -&#62; empty file
Then name that file: ".is_audio_player"
Notice the dot; its a hidden file!

Then you open that file in gedit and you put this into there:

audio_folders=MUSIC/
folder_depth=2
output_formats=audio/x-ms-wma,audio/mpeg

Off course you can change the music folder and the supported codecs.
Then if you remove the mp3-player/phone and add it again, you should see it in Rhythmbox.

Then when you drag music to that device from within rhythmbox it will automatically convert the file to the first supported codec, when the file is not natively supported by your device.

Hope this helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have any mp3 playing device that does not register itself as a music player, but as a usb-disc, you can do this trick:</p>
<p>Go to the usb-disc in nautilus<br />
Right-click .. create file -&gt; empty file<br />
Then name that file: &#8220;.is_audio_player&#8221;<br />
Notice the dot; its a hidden file!</p>
<p>Then you open that file in gedit and you put this into there:</p>
<p>audio_folders=MUSIC/<br />
folder_depth=2<br />
output_formats=audio/x-ms-wma,audio/mpeg</p>
<p>Off course you can change the music folder and the supported codecs.<br />
Then if you remove the mp3-player/phone and add it again, you should see it in Rhythmbox.</p>
<p>Then when you drag music to that device from within rhythmbox it will automatically convert the file to the first supported codec, when the file is not natively supported by your device.</p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oi! Those applications do not seem bloated to me to be honest. Windows Media Player at least has at every release after 8 or so (they are at what.. 11?) become slimmer, better looking, and faster. I got less than 3 seconds startup time with cold caches and it's really responsive (as responsive as ever possible with the nearly non-existent multi-tasking of the Windows kernel - not the application's fault really). It's fast enough, as are all the other contenders as well, including the open source ones. Also the GUI doesn't have anything extra, for instance Banshee and Amarok have got couple times more buttons and gizmos by default.

The only thing on it that might be bloat is the rightmost tab that is for commercial media shops - by default it has the MSN's service. It is not Microsoft only though (you could actually even add those non-drm'd shops there if you wanted to and set them as default) and it never forces you there. I have found couple new artists from music genres that I don't usually listen to thanks to that service as they have free songs constantly there.

Having a proper library for both types (video and audio) is a basic requirement nowadays. Having to start several applications to be able to send both to your mobile player is really bad for usability because those steps should not be required at all. Futhermore those applications act and work all slightly differently, and especially the workflows for video files are awkward, and especially when you'd like to synch them somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi! Those applications do not seem bloated to me to be honest. Windows Media Player at least has at every release after 8 or so (they are at what.. 11?) become slimmer, better looking, and faster. I got less than 3 seconds startup time with cold caches and it&#8217;s really responsive (as responsive as ever possible with the nearly non-existent multi-tasking of the Windows kernel - not the application&#8217;s fault really). It&#8217;s fast enough, as are all the other contenders as well, including the open source ones. Also the GUI doesn&#8217;t have anything extra, for instance Banshee and Amarok have got couple times more buttons and gizmos by default.</p>
<p>The only thing on it that might be bloat is the rightmost tab that is for commercial media shops - by default it has the MSN&#8217;s service. It is not Microsoft only though (you could actually even add those non-drm&#8217;d shops there if you wanted to and set them as default) and it never forces you there. I have found couple new artists from music genres that I don&#8217;t usually listen to thanks to that service as they have free songs constantly there.</p>
<p>Having a proper library for both types (video and audio) is a basic requirement nowadays. Having to start several applications to be able to send both to your mobile player is really bad for usability because those steps should not be required at all. Futhermore those applications act and work all slightly differently, and especially the workflows for video files are awkward, and especially when you&#8217;d like to synch them somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2008/03/12/media-management-misery/comment-page-1#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried MTP with Rhythmbox 0.11.4? All the drag and drop love I need for my SonyEricsson phone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried MTP with Rhythmbox 0.11.4? All the drag and drop love I need for my SonyEricsson phone!</p>
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