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	<title>Comments on: Anonymous Cowards</title>
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	<description>From a land of hills and water...</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-1752</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; For me the offending part is the subject of that mail. Me being a woman does not make me a newb/n00b/newbie (or however that happens to be spelled this year). Same applies for several female linux users I know.

You misunderstood.  "For x read y" is a common idiom in the English language that means "take the following text, and substitute 'y' wherever you see 'x'".

In essence, he was repeating an old joke about men not being able to understand women, but putting it in the context of him being unable to understand newbies.  He wasn't saying that women are newbies, he was saying that it's pretty damn difficult to understand newbies at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; For me the offending part is the subject of that mail. Me being a woman does not make me a newb/n00b/newbie (or however that happens to be spelled this year). Same applies for several female linux users I know.</p>
<p>You misunderstood.  &#8220;For x read y&#8221; is a common idiom in the English language that means &#8220;take the following text, and substitute &#8216;y&#8217; wherever you see &#8216;x&#8217;&#8221;.</p>
<p>In essence, he was repeating an old joke about men not being able to understand women, but putting it in the context of him being unable to understand newbies.  He wasn&#8217;t saying that women are newbies, he was saying that it&#8217;s pretty damn difficult to understand newbies at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't be dissing Anonymous. We only do what is right; some person threatening to "CoC" someone due to an off-colour joke is essentially way out of line itself, since it is a threat of the application of administrative power to exclude. That threat alone is far, _far_ more of an act of aggression than any non-directed off-colour joke could ever be.

Thus the lamented departure of this Caroline person due to her use of the EFF word is fair and just. After all, if one cannot accept that they might be judged not only by what they say but also by what they do, then they are hardly welcome in any community aiming to Get Stuff Done.

It would also be a good idea to consider that there are also persons who join communities in a bid for personal power, similar to why certain people go into a police career. Permitting a person's gender to affect one's judgement (particularly if they have a cute first name) is likewise inadvisable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be dissing Anonymous. We only do what is right; some person threatening to &#8220;CoC&#8221; someone due to an off-colour joke is essentially way out of line itself, since it is a threat of the application of administrative power to exclude. That threat alone is far, _far_ more of an act of aggression than any non-directed off-colour joke could ever be.</p>
<p>Thus the lamented departure of this Caroline person due to her use of the EFF word is fair and just. After all, if one cannot accept that they might be judged not only by what they say but also by what they do, then they are hardly welcome in any community aiming to Get Stuff Done.</p>
<p>It would also be a good idea to consider that there are also persons who join communities in a bid for personal power, similar to why certain people go into a police career. Permitting a person&#8217;s gender to affect one&#8217;s judgement (particularly if they have a cute first name) is likewise inadvisable.</p>
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		<title>By: Rama</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Rama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot link, Here with link... sorry:

Check this out (link): http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/can-we-talk-here/ It's very heartfelt and compassionate; and really does say what Ubuntu really is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot link, Here with link&#8230; sorry:</p>
<p>Check this out (link): <a href="http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/can-we-talk-here/" rel="nofollow">http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/can-we-talk-here/</a> It&#8217;s very heartfelt and compassionate; and really does say what Ubuntu really is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Rama</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>Rama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out: It's very heartfelt and compassionate; and really does say what Ubuntu really is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this out: It&#8217;s very heartfelt and compassionate; and really does say what Ubuntu really is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Pope</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Dave. It's sad that this happened on the mailing list, even sadder that someone thought it appropriate to anonymously post to her blog.

I think sometimes people forget the guidelines for the mailing list.

http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Dave. It&#8217;s sad that this happened on the mailing list, even sadder that someone thought it appropriate to anonymously post to her blog.</p>
<p>I think sometimes people forget the guidelines for the mailing list.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette" rel="nofollow">http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know who it was - it's really irrelevent, but on live journal, unless you're a registered user you cannot put your name on the post. (unlike here). Unless you remember to write your name in the comment text body. It may have been a  mistake. I can see that the person wouldn't want to own up now though.

I don't think this blog post really is helpful to the ubuntu-uk community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who it was - it&#8217;s really irrelevent, but on live journal, unless you&#8217;re a registered user you cannot put your name on the post. (unlike here). Unless you remember to write your name in the comment text body. It may have been a  mistake. I can see that the person wouldn&#8217;t want to own up now though.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this blog post really is helpful to the ubuntu-uk community.</p>
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		<title>By: Nermal</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Nermal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been hit by the CoC before.  After helping people for hours on the #ubuntu IRC channel - back in the days when it was less than 400 people or so - and having to prise actual problem descriptions out of people before even starting to offer advice I think I called a couple of people idiots and probably said &#34;that package is a pile of shit&#34; or so.

*wham*

Immediate Code of Conduct waving hand-wringing whinging bastards everywhere, and then a nick ban so weak I had to rejoin the channel and explain to the retarded ops how to ban someone properly.

I gave up helping out in there after that.

IMHO, CoC is the Red Tape of Ubuntu and a PITA most of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been hit by the CoC before.  After helping people for hours on the #ubuntu IRC channel - back in the days when it was less than 400 people or so - and having to prise actual problem descriptions out of people before even starting to offer advice I think I called a couple of people idiots and probably said &quot;that package is a pile of shit&quot; or so.</p>
<p>*wham*</p>
<p>Immediate Code of Conduct waving hand-wringing whinging bastards everywhere, and then a nick ban so weak I had to rejoin the channel and explain to the retarded ops how to ban someone properly.</p>
<p>I gave up helping out in there after that.</p>
<p>IMHO, CoC is the Red Tape of Ubuntu and a PITA most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contrary, I think the CoC is one of the best things about Ubuntu. The summary ejection of socially-challenged idiots should be compulsory in free software projects. Admittedly Ubuntu has more of a fanboy problem than a sociopath problem at this point.

 - Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contrary, I think the CoC is one of the best things about Ubuntu. The summary ejection of socially-challenged idiots should be compulsory in free software projects. Admittedly Ubuntu has more of a fanboy problem than a sociopath problem at this point.</p>
<p> - Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The summary ejection of assholes IS a good thing, but not being allowed to say that some piece of software is shit, is overreacting imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The summary ejection of assholes IS a good thing, but not being allowed to say that some piece of software is shit, is overreacting imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Nico</title>
		<link>http://schwuk.com/articles/2007/03/29/anonymous-cowards#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see the problem with such an innocent joke. I also fail to see what was so terrible about the anonymous comment. This whole story is about overreacting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see the problem with such an innocent joke. I also fail to see what was so terrible about the anonymous comment. This whole story is about overreacting&#8230;</p>
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